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  • robert12
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    Superior knowledge of medicine in ancient China

    Somebody once told me the knowledge of medicine in China's history used to be deeper than Europeans in a same given period. Oh actually let me just quote the whole thing:

     

    "When Westerners (for this sake mainly Portuguese and British) came for the first time to China so they realized that Chinese were much less sick then them. 

    The difference was in:

    1) Personal hygiene - at that time Europeans considered bathing very dangerous to their health

    2) Chinese knowledge of germ/bacteria existence and that boiling the water will generally result in less problems

    3) Overall higher level of medicine knowledge than European

     

    Many these issues were settled by the modern practices and approaches but a lot of these still stayed in peoples mind (especially considering that China 50 years ago was in many places still quite underdeveloped and these approaches saved a lot of lives).

    But certain things, like drinking warm water for instance, is really healthier than drinking cold oneSmile"

     

    Interesting, right? What I would like to know, and asked without getting an answer unfortunately, where could we verify such information? Surely there must be some books, written records or travel logs of some sort that could allow us to understand better what was the state of Chinese knowledge in medicine back then?

    In any language of course.

    10 years agoin Health & Safety-Nanjing
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  • condor
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    "When Westerners (for this sake mainly Portuguese and British) came for the first time to China so they realized that Chinese were much less sick then them. "

    Which time is this exactly?

    miguel:

    The time shortly after the Brits and Portuguese had been sailing around the world for 12 months on bugger all good fresh food and water.
    10 years ago
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  • conniel
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    i've taken the traditional Chinese medicine for 7 months, my health indeed becomes better and better, but it's too slow, now i'm still taking the traditional Chinese medicine and waiting for what changes will happen to my body.smiley

    braun:

    Good for you. How does panda dick taste?
    10 years ago
    10 years ago
  • wendyvan
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    Lol. I know I am hogging this thread, butthe subject of invention and dicovery is one of my pet subjects.

    Medical science has very much been one of accidental discovery, until the base knowledge was gained.

    Physics was different. Physics was all about "why?" Gifted individuals came out of the blue and changed the world.

    Engineering followed on, "How can I do this better?"

    Philosophy: " Why do you want to?"

    China: " We know it already"

    A few years back, I was fishing a pond in rural China. Plenty of water in the pond, but the fields the water was intended for were maybe 2 meters above the water level. So every day the old guy and his wife would come out with their buckets and spend most of the day carrying water up in their two buckets.

    I thought, "Why not just build a cistern in the field and install a pump to pump the water up? . Because then they could spend the time weeding the field rather than carrying water."

    But I was thinking with a western mind. That's why I am so fat and they are so fit and thin.

    Same with the fish in the sea. The west developed easier ways to harvest them. So now there is no fish left.

    Maybe that old couple carrying the water were really smart.

    Because with my thinking, I would end up using the pump to water more fields to grow more crops.

    Nah, more crops is good.

    10 years ago
  • jesse
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    What makes me sad, is we can't distinguish the lies from the truth anymore. What if there really was an ancient version of the toothbrush invented in China, use of mold as antibiotic, or genuine documents that prove the Diaoyu Islands belong to China? The truth is lost among all the fabricated lies.

    So, in an effort to claim cultural superiority, the factual truth about China's true achievements is being severely obfuscated. People are now inclined to believe NONE of it is true, even if some things might be. China is continually destroying its culture, history and heritage. That makes me a sad panda. Even though I'm not Chinese, I'd love to learn more about China's objective history. But the Mainland, where most of it took place, can't be trusted.

    10 years ago
  • clarke
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    I read somewhere that much ancient knowledge of medicine was lost. Say, the days of pyramid construction, is it possible those guys who built the pyramids knew something that was lost over time? Not only possible but probable. As for the ancient chinese, their I Ching was written based on the Yin/Yang polarity, or binary system which our computer is based on, 1/0s. Their medical system is also based on this. So is there something those guys who wrote I Ching knew about but lost in time? Likely. At the end of the day, the ultimate question is, does it get the job done and how well (ie comprehensive) it does that.
    10 years ago
  • dwayne
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    Well, after Galen and Hippocrates, in Europe, it was indeed the Dark Ages until the Renaissance and the translation of Arabic books. And it's not until late 19th century that hygiena became big deal in Europe. In China, well, it was also pre-scientific approach to medecine until the 20th century, with similar results:
    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-reality-of-ancient-wisdom-acupuncture-and-tcm-werent-so-great/

    A *MAJOR* factor at play was that Chinese people tended to be better fed than Europeans one until the 18th century. Until the 17th century, the average European worker had access to close to half the intake of a Chinese worker !!! Ho, in China, in some cities, some form of public healthcare existed (take that, taxes & welfare haters) Weak, poorly fed people tend to be more likely to be sick and have all kind of chronical issues like skin rash, pain, poor teeth, stunted growth, etc.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Divergence#Differences_in_wages_and_living_standards
    With such huge differences, I would rather look at that food intake & life standards issue, rather than pre-scientific shenanigans that are a mix of statistical noise, misplaced national pride, empirical chance findings, and placebo. Ho, and last nail in the coffin : look at the death rate for any kind of plague, pneumonia outbreak, flu outbreak, pre-1900 : TCM, lol. Who got the balls to cure his/her cancer with TCM ?

    10 years ago
  • ramin
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    You stereotyped West by yourself. I would like to know what has West(EU) contributed to the medical sciences until 15th century? Nothing, on what basis are you comparing ancient China and West in a parallel era?

    References from what? History? You aren't accepting the very history if written by Eastern writers. There isn't a point to ask for references at all in that case.

    10 years ago
  • eman
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    Over the course of centuries people figured out which plants work for what and which dont. The plants that worked became medicine the plants that didnt stayed as herbs and became alternative. Simple.
    Many conclusions in all ancients medicinal practices were correct, in so far as "apply x, x and x to here and your good to go" but the reasons behind x, x and x working were often something stupid like chinese qi or crystal therapy or the local god of the earthworms being grumpy.
    The ancient chinese did know how to innoculate someone against certain diseases, but only in so far as giving someone a dirty rag from someone who survived said disease. They did not know why it worked or how, just that it did, sometimes.
    10 years ago
  • patricial
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    I looked for historical Chinese scripts on knowledge about bacteria and germs in 19th Century on the web yesterday, but there are none.

    Chinese medicine in that period was based on 'beliefs' more than actual study of bacteria.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine

    Alternative medical practices can be based on an underlying belief system inconsistent with science, or on traditional cultural practices.

    10 years ago
  • jake
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    Over the course of centuries people figured out which plants work for what and which dont. The plants that worked became medicine the plants that didnt stayed as herbs and became alternative. Simple.
    Many conclusions in all ancients medicinal practices were correct, in so far as "apply x, x and x to here and your good to go" but the reasons behind x, x and x working were often something stupid like chinese qi or crystal therapy or the local god of the earthworms being grumpy.
    The ancient chinese did know how to innoculate someone against certain diseases, but only in so far as giving someone a dirty rag from someone who survived said disease. They did not know why it worked or how, just that it did, sometimes.

    10 years ago

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